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Date: Sat, 20 Aug 94 09:00:39 PDT From: Info-Hams Mailing List and Newsgroup <info-hams@ucsd.edu> Errors-To: Info-Hams-Errors@UCSD.Edu Reply-To: Info-Hams@UCSD.Edu Precedence: Bulk Subject: Info-Hams Digest V94 #937 To: Info-Hams Info-Hams Digest Sat, 20 Aug 94 Volume 94 : Issue 937 Today's Topics: Handicap Hams HELP! HOW TO IMPROV Hurricane Freqs WANTED! Instructions for MACO Quad Antenna??? License Frustration QSL route? for GJ3ULT Repeater Autopatch (3 msgs) Repeater Directory? TNC Recommendation VHF: non-FM What's a 10-10 frequency? Send Replies or notes for publication to: <Info-Hams@UCSD.Edu> Send subscription requests to: <Info-Hams-REQUEST@UCSD.Edu> Problems you can't solve otherwise to brian@ucsd.edu. Archives of past issues of the Info-Hams Digest are available (by FTP only) from UCSD.Edu in directory "mailarchives/info-hams". We trust that readers are intelligent enough to realize that all text herein consists of personal comments and does not represent the official policies or positions of any party. Your mileage may vary. So there. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 19 Aug 1994 14:20:12 GMT From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!mvb.saic.com!unogate!news.service.uci.edu!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary@network.ucsd.edu Subject: Handicap Hams To: info-hams@ucsd.edu In article <199408191041.DAA17886@ucsd.edu> t.wright@msuacad.morehead-st.EDU (Tim Wright KD4OVM) writes: >Do you know a Ham or a want-to-be Ham that has a handi-cap? >Well, I do. He is also a member of ARRL and his handi-cap is >that he is blind. I know that he has possably held a QSO with >a large bunch of brother and sister Hams all over the U.S. and the >world. Well, that isn't the problem........ > >As a Blind Ham being an ARRL member he doesn't receive QST like >the rest of us who has been blessed with sight. > >With the fall ARRL board meeting approaching, I would like all ARRL >members to write, call or talk to your SM's and Directors to make >QST available in an electronic format that they can either down load >or receive by S-Mail for their enjoyment. I know that I have enjoyed >reading the articles contained in QST and I know that the Vision Impared >Hams would like to enjoy those articles as well. > >This electronic format must be made to where it can be read by a text >reader so it can voice out the words so that they can read QST with >their ears. > >Join the call and contact the ARRL/Directors to start such a mediam >and maybe the other Amateur Radio related publications will follow >the ARRL's lead. > >Thats all for now. Isn't the ARRL part of the Talking Books program? I thought there were already audio cassette versions available. Perhaps not. I'd certainly like to be able to access QST, and the other ARRL publications, electronically, and I'm not very visually impaired (at least not yet). Having the ability to keyword search the text would make things much nicer, and keeping back issues would be less of a problem. A presentation format would be a problem, what with diagrams and such being a large part of the technical articles. Perhaps an electronic publication standard is needed that would accomodate both the sighted and the visually impaired. Gary -- Gary Coffman KE4ZV | You make it, | gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary Destructive Testing Systems | we break it. | uunet!rsiatl!ke4zv!gary 534 Shannon Way | Guaranteed! | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary Lawrenceville, GA 30244 | | gary@ke4zv.atl.ga.us ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Aug 1994 13:52:16 GMT From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!mvb.saic.com!unogate!news.service.uci.edu!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary@network.ucsd.edu Subject: HELP! HOW TO IMPROV To: info-hams@ucsd.edu In article <Cuq5pC.7xq@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> battin@cyclops.iucf.indiana.edu (Laurence Gene Battin) writes: > >The method of passing the test by transcribing the dots and dashes and >then transliterating them into letters during the time allotted for >"correcting" your text is _specifically_reccommended_ by Wayne Green in >one of his editorials this year. I don't have the issue handy, but it >was sometime around May or June. I don't see anything wrong with using >this technique, if possible, during an actual QSO, but it certainly >seems to me to be wrong to do so during the exam. The reason I think >this method is cheating is _not_ because I'm a priori against any _particular_ >means of getting the correct answer onto paper. Rather, it seems to me >that this method depends implicitly on misusing that portion of the >exam time which is supposed to be used for correcting relatively straight- >forward errors, and, IMHO, _not_ to be used to perform some intermediate >transliteration step. I agree that using this method to achieve 1 minute solid copy is not exactly in step with the intent of the test. However, just sight reading your copy in order to answer the multiple choice questions seems to me to be a different matter. You put the information down in a form readable by you solely in order to answer questions about the content of the text. There's no reason your *notes* have to be readable by anyone else. My shorthand copy doesn't *look* like conventional dots and dashes. I doubt anyone else could make heads or tails of it. The same could be said for some people's handwriting. :-) If it's allowed to copy *in your head* in order to answer the exam questions, and it is, then there's no reason to forbid a pencil and paper aid of whatever form for the same purpose. The important thing you're supposed to show is that you recovered the *content* of the text sufficiently well to answer the questions without the aid of a machine, IE you're supposed to *emulate* a machine for the purposes of the test. No one is concerned about the internal intermediate steps taken by a machine, so no one should be concerned about the intermediate steps you take emulating a machine. All that should matter is whether the *content* is output successfully. Gary -- Gary Coffman KE4ZV | You make it, | gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary Destructive Testing Systems | we break it. | uunet!rsiatl!ke4zv!gary 534 Shannon Way | Guaranteed! | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary Lawrenceville, GA 30244 | | gary@ke4zv.atl.ga.us ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Aug 94 23:03:14 -0500 From: news.delphi.com!usenet@uunet.uu.net Subject: Hurricane Freqs WANTED! To: info-hams@ucsd.edu Chris Smart <chris.smart@canrem.com> writes: >Hi. Since my first name matches what they're calling the latest tropical >storm, I definitely want to follow its progress. I tried punching up >14.325 on the rig, but couldn't find any Hurricane net. I also tuned up >and down the band for half an hour looking, but found nothing. What >frequencies on 20 meters do they hold emergency nets or hurricane nets on? >Also, if Tropical storm Chris hits land, what nets down in Florida at There usually isn't much activity when a storm is days away from any land area. It will pick up quickly if/when a storm nears land. Here's the info on net freqs: FREQUENCIES OF INTEREST DURING HURRICANE SEASON REPRINTED FROM THE SALVATION ARMY TEAM EMERGENCY RADIO NETWORK NEWSLETTER (JANUARY 1993) WITH ADDITIONS (7/94) 3815 ANTIGUA/ANTILLES NET 3815 INTER-ISLAND 75 METER NET (CONTINUOUS WATCH) 3818 ANTILLES NET 3915 SOUTH CAROLINA EMERGENCY NET 4270 FAX PICTURES FROM CFH HALIFAX 4426 USCG BROADCASTS FROM NMN PORTSMOUTH VA 0400,0530,1000Z 6330 FAX PICTURES FROM CFH HALIFAX 6501 USCG BROADCASTS FROM NMN PORTSMOUTH VA 0400,0530,1000,1130,1600Z 6673 HURRICANE HUNTER AIRCRAFT 7165 ANTIGUA/ANTILLES NET 7232 SOUTH CAROLINA EMERGENCY NET 7243 SOUTH CAROLINA EMERGENCY NET 8080 FAX PICTURES FROM NMN 8764 USCG BROADCASTS FROM NMN PORTSMOUTH VA 0400,0530,1000,1130,1600,1730,2200,2330 8765 HEALTH AND WELFARE TRAFFIC 8993 AIR FORCE AND COAST GUARD USB 10536 FAX PICTURES FROM CFH HALIFAX 11246 HURRICANE HUNTER AIRCRAFT 11249.5 HURRICANE HUNTER AIRCRAFT 11398 HURRICANE HUNTER AIRCRAFT 11425 HURRICANE HUNTER AIRCRAFT 13089 USCG BROADCASTS FROM NMN PORTSMOUTH VA 1130,1600,1730,2200,2330 13245 ANTIGUA/ANTILLES NET USB 13354 HURRICANE HUNTER AIRCRAFT 13510 FAX PICTURES FROM CFH HALIFAX 14150 AMATEUR NET 14275 INTERNATIONAL AMATEUR RADIO NET / RED CROSS 14283 CARIBUS NET 14283 HEALTH AND WELFARE TRAFFIC 14303 HEALTH AND WELFARE TRAFFIC 17314 USCG BROADCASTS FROM NMN PORTSMOUTH VA, 1730Z 14316 MARITIME MOBILE NET 14325 HURRICANE WATCH NET (AMATEUR-TO-NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER) 14375 AMATEUR NET 18019 HURRICANE HUNTER AIRCRAFT 21310 HEALTH AND WELFARE IN SPANISH AMATEUR EMERGENCY NETS IN HURRICANE AREAS: REPRINTED FROM THE SALVATION ARMY TEAM EMERGENCY RADIO NETWORK NEWSLETTER (JANUARY 1993) WITH ADDITIONS (7/94) ALABAMA 3695 ANTILLES 7165 SOUTHERN LA 7245 BAJA 7235 BELIZE 3935 BERMUDA 14275 CARIBBEAN EMERGENCY 14185 CARIBBEAN MARITIME MOBILE 7115; 1200Z CARIBBEAN WX 3808; 1030Z CALIFORNIA WX 3948; 1400Z GEORGIA 3975 GULF COAST CENTRAL HURRICANE 3935; 7245 GULF COAST WESTERN HURRICANE 3845; 7260 GULF COAST OUTGOING ONLY 3967; 7283 GULF COAST HEALTH & WELFARE 3993; 7264 INTERAMERICAS H & W 21390 LAKE CHARLES LA 3993.5; 7264 LOUISIANA 14340; 1900Z MANANA 7070 MEXICAN NATIONAL 3987.5 MISSISSIPPI ARES 3923; 3910 NORTH CAROLINA 3915 SOUTH CAROLINA 3915 SOUTH TEXAS EMERGENCY 3955; 7250 TEXAS TRAFFIC H & W 3691; 7290 DAY; 3910 NIGHT TRANSATLANTIC MARITIME MOBILE 21400 WATERWAY 7268 WHENEVER A HURRICANE IS WITHIN 300 MILES OF LAND IN THE NORTHERN WESTERN HEMISPHERE, THE HURRICANE WATCH NET IS OPERATIONAL ON 14.325 MHz USB. THE HURRICANE WATCH NET PROVIDES COMMUNICATION BETWEEN THE NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER AND THE AFFECTED AREAS. THE NATIONAL BUREAU OF STANDARDS BROADCASTS STORM WARNINGS ON 2.5, 5.0, 10.0, 15.0, AND 20.0 MHz A.M. AT 8 MINUTES PAST THE HOUR AND HALF-HOUR. TOLL FREE COAST GUARD INFO LINE AT NMN PORTSMOUTH, VA: (800)742-8519. THIS RINGS AT A WATCH OFFICER'S DESK! REQUEST REVERSE-REPORT ANY CORRECTIONS AND ADDITIONS FOR THIS LIST. ASMDCT/AAR1OT 5 JULY 1994. ------------------------------ John Kent - AA2DY ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Aug 1994 15:20:42 GMT From: mvb.saic.com!news.alpha.net!pacifier!rainrgnews0!psgrain!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!yeshua.marcam.com!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.@@ihnp4.ucsd.edu Subject: Instructions for MACO Quad Antenna??? To: info-hams@ucsd.edu Hello, I have a MACO Quad 10-15-20 meters and have misplaced my assembly instructions. Would anyone have a copy or know the name of the company that produced them? (I seem to recall Springfield, Illinois somewhere in the instructions). email would be cool thanks travis -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- swd_trb@afds.cca.rockwell.com -- I don't even claim these words so I'm -- -- -- sure nobody else would claim them. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: 19 Aug 1994 16:31:20 GMT From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!mvb.saic.com!unogate!news.service.uci.edu!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!blanket.mitre.org!linus.mitre.org!m21245-mac.mitre.org!user@network. Subject: License Frustration To: info-hams@ucsd.edu In article <kgk-1608941504160001@kgkmac.repoc.nwu.edu>, kgk@nwu.edu (Kenneth Kalan) wrote: > Frustration is starting to set in, waiting for my license. [...] While waiting for my license, my impatiance was only satisfied by continually banging away with a code practice oscillator. At the kitchen table, while in the car, while watching TV, (I was 15); it drove my parents and sister absolutely crazy. I think if my license had delayed another day in coming, my parents would have thrown me out. Upon arriving home from school one day, there it was! I was officially WN6KHB. I zoomed right up to the shack (shared with my father, ex-W6RXR) and fired up the radio. It was 3:30 in the afternoon, and the only antenna we had was 80 meters. I called CQ for about 45 minutes without an answer - boy was that anticlimatic. Fortunately, my enthusiam unstemmed, I returned at about 6 PM, and my CQ's netted my first contact with WN6GON. After about three more contacts (in about three hours of operating), I called it a night. The log shows operation every night for the three first three months I was a ham. The waiting period will eventually end, Ken. Now might be a good time to do some of those things you've been procrastinating, because with a ham radio in the other room, there's always something more fun to do than take out the garbage. :-) -- Bill wtr@mitre.org * I babble too incoherently to speak for my employer * ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Aug 1994 20:43:03 GMT From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!pacbell.com!att-out!nntpa!not-for-mail@network.ucsd.edu Subject: QSL route? for GJ3ULT To: info-hams@ucsd.edu Months ago I worked GJ3ULT. There's no callbook listing but it was suggested that I try sending it to G3ULT who holds the only call with "ULT" and might also be GJ3ULT. Unfortunately, there was no response to my qsl and postage. Any other suggestions from the UK? tnx Shel WA2UBK dara@physics.att.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Aug 94 07:20:18 -0500 From: news.delphi.com!usenet@uunet.uu.net Subject: Repeater Autopatch To: info-hams@ucsd.edu Ken.... The repeater groups that I belong to have both issued very clear instructions to hang up "immediately" if placed on hold with music in the background. Personally, I wouldn't tie up a repeater while waiting for someone on the other end to take the time to talk to me. To begin with, the use of an autopatch set up is really intended for calls that "can't" be made by another means and surely not for business related calls, so, I really don't think that this is really a gray area. Remember two things when useing any repeater... someone else is ALWAYS listening and you're not the ONLY person that needs or wants to use it. If you keep these things in mind at all times, you'll be regarded as a courteous operator... something that we should all strive for...!!!! 73 de KE4NLW... Ron +---------------------------+---------------------------------------+ | Ron St.Denis | rstdenis@.delphi.com | | Palm Beach Gardens, FL | rstdenis@nyx.cs.du.edu | | Amateur Radio - KE4NLW | ron.stdenis@jbs.com | +---------------------------+---------------------------------------+ ------------------------------ Date: 19 Aug 1994 16:46:31 GMT From: mvb.saic.com!news.alpha.net!pacifier!rainrgnews0!psgrain!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!yeshua.marcam.com!news.kei.com!eff!news.umbc.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.@ihnp4.ucsd.edu Subject: Repeater Autopatch To: info-hams@ucsd.edu I've heard something interesting yesterday on one of the local repeaters. A person used the phone patch and got placed on hold. The place he called had music on hold and someone came on the repeater and told him to hang up because playing music is illegal. I guess if you follow the letter of the law it is, but I would think this is kind of a grey area. Your not playing the music although your ticket is responseable because your the one initiating the call. Just that today music on hold is not uncommon and if phone patches are legal, then the FCC rules may need to be changed slightly. I'm curious what others think about this. Regards Ken (Still waiting and waiting and waiting) -- -------------------------------------------------------- _-- Kenneth Kalan PP ASEL ===_ / | Northwestern University | ___/[__ ] \___/__ | Prosthetics Research Laboratory |\__ _|___|_____===/ Rehabilitation Engineering Program | \/ kgk@nwu.edu o O ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Aug 1994 12:02:14 GMT From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!emory!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary@network.ucsd.edu Subject: Repeater Autopatch To: info-hams@ucsd.edu In article <kgk-1908941148450001@kgkmac.repoc.nwu.edu> kgk@nwu.edu (Kenneth Kalan) writes: > >I've heard something interesting yesterday on one of the local repeaters. A person used the phone patch and got placed on hold. The place he called had music on hold and someone came on the repeater and told him to hang up because playing music is illegal. > >I guess if you follow the letter of the law it is, but I would think this is kind of a grey area. Your not playing the music although your ticket is responseable because your the one initiating the call. Just that today music on hold is not uncommon and if phone patches are legal, then the FCC rules may need to be changed slightly. > >I'm curious what others think about this. I'm sure it's illegal, and it should be immoral and fattening as well considering the saccharine pap they play. The person whose license is in jeopardy is the trustee of the repeater, because it's his station transmitting the music. This is doubly illegal because it's transmission of music, and because the "music" most businesses use is obscenely bad music. (There's no Twisted Sister, no Black Sabbath, not even any Whitesnake, how can they call the dreck they play music?) When the FCC relaxed the no business rule, they opened this can of worms. The correct thing to do, on the repeater, or on a landline, is when you hear music on hold, hang up immediately. I always do. Gary -- Gary Coffman KE4ZV | You make it, | gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary Destructive Testing Systems | we break it. | uunet!rsiatl!ke4zv!gary 534 Shannon Way | Guaranteed! | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary Lawrenceville, GA 30244 | | gary@ke4zv.atl.ga.us ------------------------------ Date: 19 Aug 1994 21:19:16 GMT From: mozo.cc.purdue.edu!rain!mconner@purdue.edu Subject: Repeater Directory? To: info-hams@ucsd.edu In article <cb.21512.2099@nitelog.com> mario.campos@nitelog.com (Mario Campos) writes: >Subject: Repeater Directory? > >Quoting Zack Lester to ALL concerning Repeater Directory?: > >>Is there a telnet site, or a text file that has the entire contents of >>the ARRL repeater directory? >> >>Zack Lester >Why would copyrighted, commercial text be available for gratis? Easiest >access is to order one from ARRL or visit your local ham store! I'd like to see this list electronically somewhere, even if I did have to pay for it. For example, when the 2m band opened the other night, I was hitting repeaters all over the place. I'd like to have a comprehensive list so that all I had to do was punch in a frequency and I'd get back all the repeaters on that freq. It's a lot easier than thumbing through umpteen pages of listing (esp. if you're in a hurry). Having lat/lon with each listing would be nice too, for making your own maps, figuring direction to the repeater, etc. Is there such a list compiled by someone, free or otherwise? -- Mark D. Conner - N9XTN Opinions expressed here are Dept. of Earth & Atmospheric Sciences not necessarily those of the Purdue Univ., W. Lafayette IN 47907 Government, DoD, Purdue, or mconner@rain.atms.purdue.edu the author. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Aug 1994 14:03:10 GMT From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!mvb.saic.com!unogate!news.service.uci.edu!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary@network.ucsd.edu Subject: TNC Recommendation To: info-hams@ucsd.edu In article <Cuqv45.1pI@freenet.carleton.ca> ac742@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Greg Danylchenko) writes: > >Here is a loaded question, but if you were to buy a new TNC to-day (given >all that on air experience that you have gained since) which manufacturer >and model would you get? I am looking for the best combination of price >and performance. They're all pretty good. I'd likely buy the same unit, a MFJ1270. It's cheap, the tin box is a good shield, it's TAPR compatible, it's cheap, I know all the tricks to make it work best, and it's cheap. The Tiny 2 is also good. It's TAPR compatible, it's small, and in the micropower version it has a low current draw. I'd avoid TNCs that weren't TAPR hardware and firmware compatible because I'd be locked out of too many useful third party add ons. Actually, today I wouldn't buy a *TNC*. Instead I'd get an Ottawa PI card or a Gracillis card. I don't do 1200 baud anymore, and the internal cards handle higher speeds better than a TNC kludge dangling from a serial port. In fact, that's exactly what I do. Gary -- Gary Coffman KE4ZV | You make it, | gatech!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary Destructive Testing Systems | we break it. | uunet!rsiatl!ke4zv!gary 534 Shannon Way | Guaranteed! | emory!kd4nc!ke4zv!gary Lawrenceville, GA 30244 | | gary@ke4zv.atl.ga.us ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Aug 1994 17:08:15 GMT From: psinntp!arrl.org!zlau@uunet.uu.net Subject: VHF: non-FM To: info-hams@ucsd.edu Steve Bertsch N8KWV (sbertsch@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu) wrote: : Are there any stats, or even ballpark guesses, on how many folks are still : interested in VHF modes other than FM, particularly 2 meter SSB? I may be : able to pick up a 2 meter all-mode at a good price, but don't want to spend : a chunk of $$ on an electronic nick-nack. I live in central Ohio, BTW. Not surprisingly, it seems to depend on where you live. In Mass, PA, or NJ, big multioperator contest stations find around 600 different SSB stations to work on 2 meters. But since even SSB has a typical range of under 300 miles for many stations, it is entirely possible to live in areas with little activity. 2 meter SSB is used for 10 GHz liasion work in the Northeast--144.260 MHz. FM is just too crowded to work well when you are on a big hill and can see 6 or 7 states :-). Last year, even with a 25 watt amp, I needed to switch to CW to set up a 10 GHz schedule over a 500 km path. Anyone suggesting I use DSP techniques is invited to carry the equipment up and down the hiking trail (this Sunday its Grand Manadnock--2.2 miles to the summit with 1700 ft of elevation gain). Actually, I do bring FM along to accomodate those with WBFM rigs and HTs, but finding a good frequency is a real challenge. 2 meter SSB is also the basis for a lot of satellite work--both now and with Phase IIID. Even if you plan to operate microwaves, chances are that you want an 2 meter SSB receiver and transmitter to work satellites for use as an IF rig. True, 70 cm and 23 cm make more sense on 10 GHz, but the reality is that most people are using 2 meters as the IF up through 10 GHz. -- Zack Lau KH6CP/1 2 way QRP WAS 8 States on 10 GHz Internet: zlau@arrl.org 10 grids on 2304 MHz ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Aug 1994 16:45:17 GMT From: mvb.saic.com!news.alpha.net!pacifier!rainrgnews0!psgrain!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!yeshua.marcam.com!news.kei.com!eff!news.duke.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!cs.utk.edu@ihnp4.ucsd.edu Subject: What's a 10-10 frequency? To: info-hams@ucsd.edu In article <nimtz.1-1908941029400001@nimtziici.edmedia.nd.edu> nimtz.1@nd.edu (Rick Nimtz) writes: >I've heard of the 10-10 "club" but what the heck is a 10-10 frequency? >There is no mention of 10-10 frequencies in any of the ARRL literature or >in part 97. Is there a new bandplan I don't know about? What happens if I >call CQ on 28.4 MHz, will anyone answer me? What other frequencies are >"off limits" because I'm not a member of some special club? >73 N9TJG 10-10 International is a group that promotes activity and fellowship on the 10 meter band, and is particularly effective during the dog days of sun-spot lows. They may use the 28.4 Mhz as a hailing frequency for establishing initial contacts. They are a very friendly cooperative group, and I would not expect flamage if you intrude, in fact they welcome all radio visitors. By the way, I am not a member but do support their mission. There are many other organizations and nets, too numerous to list, that frequent the HF bands and may not be conspicuous. Hurricane nets, missionary nets, swap nets, mobile operator nets, county hunters, and traffic nets are there, just to name a few. ------------------------------ End of Info-Hams Digest V94 #937 ******************************